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Paper.io 2

Paper.io 2

VOODOO

A smooth drawing experience!

4.2 Ratings 3M+ Reviews 100M+ Downloads

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4.2
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  • Jul 12, 2020

    By NonExistent101
    It's a pretty good game. But.... There are many downsides- For one... The game lags.. A LOT. It's really annoying and whenever I try to play it just keeps lagging and I can't play for longer than a minute sometimes. Second of all.... The ads.. There's not that many but enough to get you annoyed. So I wouldn't say it's the best game, but it's good.
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  • Meh Oct 28, 2019

    By gas liquid and solid
    The game is fun I will not lie but you don’t even update it. I have played some of you games before and I did like them a bit but a main problem is you don’t really update them and just make a new game with a bunch of ads. I see you that you need the money but is it really necessary to fill all your games with ads most of us just want to have fun and play I would not mind 1 ad every 10 to 15 rounds but it just gets annoying. Also I really don’t like this game for only really 1 reason it is bots they are so annoying I can’t stay out of my area for 1 second without getting killed by bots! I was out my area for like 2 seconds once and I died I see it as almost impossible to fill up the map because the bots will just find a way to kill you somehow. And you probably aren’t even reading this because I feel like you don’t respond to reviews or reflect on them since I notice that people make reviews also but you don’t seem to make updates or try fixing your mistakes I would like it if you looked at what we say and try making your games better! And also I see a lot of companies doing what you are doing. Filling games with ads make it useless to play when you complete it and move on after to make a new game with the same thing. And yes I do think this game is fun but really stop making your games have garbage features and not even trying to make them better. I rarely see games that don’t do these things!
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  • Jul 16, 2020

    By Pranav Bulusu
    I love this game and all, but the ads are a problem. The ads pop up after the round and usually we can just close them, but at other times it forces us to watch the whole ad. This is very annoying so please fix the problem. Also sometimes, my area just disappears into nothingness and I die even though I am in my own area. So please fix these bugs. These problems are the main reason I have given the game 3 stars.
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  • Simple, Addictive, fun...with one UI suggestion Dec 21, 2018

    By CeeAnton
    This has become my favorite time killer, and I’ve downloaded it across almost all of my devices. I’ve even paid for the No Ad upgrade, which I rarely ever do. Since Voodoo is one of the worst with the unskippable 30-40second ads, it’s absolutely worth a few dollars to get rid of them. This game is simple, and addictive, and can be a fast play, or extended out if you are slow and methodical in your acquisition of territory. Recent updates have eliminated most of the bugginess of earlier versions. One odd thing is that the iPad and iPhone versions are slightly different. On the iPhone, you size up after a kill, but on the iPad, you do not. I wish they both played the same way. One Full rating star drop: Also, like all other VooDoo games, they do not rotate when changing orientation. For me, a game that will not rotate orientation (especially on the iPad) is an absolutely rating killer. And there are times when I will avoid playing a game I otherwise want to play, because it won’t rotate. For a phone, fine, whatever. For a tablet, it’s a total UI and usability miss. Come on, Voodoo, get it together. You make some of the best simple time killer games out there (even if they are all suspiciously similar), adding the rotate feature is a simple easy feature that makes your games far more widely playable.
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  • Problems and Ideas! Improve with this! Oct 4, 2018

    By TheOtherOtherReviewDude
    *Please Read* *There are so many ads on this game that I can’t click touch to continue, If you completely got rid of ads this game just might be way better. **Another thing eliminating yourself! You shouldn’t be able to eliminate yourself because you can turn to slow or the wrong way and end up eliminated, Also you shouldn’t be able to die from someone cutting your line. Instead when your line is cut you should be able to get back to your safe zone. This game also should have a feature that alerts you from where you territory is being taken. ***Game modes! My opinion on game modes is I LOVE THEM, and if the game could have some that would be great! Some suggestions 1vs1, Teams (5vs5, 2vs2vs2vs2vs2), Race (Who can get to 10% first)! I’m not entirely sure how many people there are per game, but i think it should be 10 if it is not. ****Feedback on skins! The skin variations are good, but should still have more easier and harder skins to get, and get EXTREMELY creative with the skins. No one once simplistic animals and objects, Maybe do something like a castle or Zeus! *****I hope you take all these ideas and include a big portion of them in the game, and use other people’s ideas!
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  • Aug 1, 2020

    By Noah Myers
    I am so disappointed. My eight year old daughter almost got the full map and the app just crashed out of nowhere. That is so disappointing and frustrating to work that hard to get so close to winning the game and conquering the whole map and the app just crash that is why I'm giving this app star. It would have been five stars.
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  • Jul 3, 2020

    By Tim O'Brien
    I paid for this app in 2018 to get rid of the too frequent long ads. Ads didn't go away after purchase and the developer never responded. I got a refund from Google. The game is fun so I played a bit longer but finally couldn't stand the glitches everyone complained about. Recently reinstalled the game. Now I see from reviews all same glitches are all still there and still no developer response. I'll play occasionally while I'm on the can, but I'm not going to pay again for such a glitchy game.
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  • Jul 23, 2020

    By dbhall23
    fun game but i still have to watch ads after i paid not to.. WHY?! also has so many glitches. while I'm watching ads for continued life (that i paid to not have) my guy gets killed, and i have to start over anyways. i feel ripped off over and over. 1 year later and I'm still having to watch ads that I paid not to see. I want my money back.
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  • GLITCHES GALORE!!! Oct 10, 2018

    By MellMelllMellll
    The game is fun and definitely addictive. However, the glitches are the most frustrating thing ever. I spent the $2.99 on this game to get rid of the ads and guess what? There are still ads when you want to continue the game. SO THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY! The glitches are so bad and make me want to throw my phone against a wall. After you’ve covered a good portion of the area, it will turn completely white for no reason leaving you stranded as you cannot get back to your pattern. Sometimes, it goes white and you die as if an invisible player just killed you. If you’re especially lucky, you’ll see a light show as the colors begin to glitch and your whole section comes back and disappears like flashing lights at a club. And then... you guessed it, you’ll randomly die. The percentage gets stuck at a number and no matter how much you’ve covered it’ll still say 0.51% even though your area is larger than the 0.66% circle you start with. This game could really become more popular and be the next “words with friends” or “angry birds” and could make a lot of money BUT it seems “they” would rather make chump change off of a subpar app with a great idea. The game is so fun and the idea is so addicting but the bugs and glitches and ads even after you pay, are enough to delete the app and tell everyone I know not to even bother. FIX THE BUGS! I guarantee that more people will play. FIX THE GLITCHES! FIX THE GLITCHES! FIX THE GLITCHES!
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  • Jul 14, 2020

    By Krista Mullins
    The game wouldn't be so bad if I could possibly play for mor than 15 seconds without a serious lag that makes me look like one of the people out of the adds. You know, "If you score 20, your legally skilled😭😂😭" So please fix this. 2.5 stars for me because I have played this before and I had no problems plus I could pass the time easier. If you fix it, I will try this again.
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  • It is so fun! Aug 4, 2020

    By Wrdup
    Okay, let me get something straight: when I was looking at the app on the side it said “some sexual content, drug use, violence” blah blah blah. If you are a parent and your kid wants this app, just know that there is NONE of that in the app❌. Trust me, I downloaded the app and I love it😃! The reason why I’m guessing it said that is because of the ads. If you’re really that scared of your child seeing the ads, (I’ve actually never seen any weird ads but maybe I’m just lucky) then just pay 3.99 (that’s how much it was for me) to get rid of the ads. Even if you do that, there’s still 1 way the ads could come through: on the home screen you will see a button that says “start 5x bigger” if you push it, it will show you an ad. The other way is when you die, you will see a button that says “extra life”, and if you push it...it’ll show you and ad. Now don’t think your “no ads” purchase is useless, there are more ads if you didn’t purchase it. There is one thing that I wish Voodoo would add to the game: the ability to play with other people. I’ve seen a few people say the want that too so...🙃
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  • Love to play this game, however... Sep 6, 2019

    By MrGoorin
    Several bugs in this game keep me from enjoying it to its fullest. First there’s the bug where the graphics for your claimed territory disappears, which is pretty much hard mode you have to play without knowing where your safe zone is without getting killed by others. Then there’s the lack of stability during gameplay due to the ads changing. The game will be going full speed, then bam lagspike when you’re outside of your territory surrounded by baddies. Let it be known that I reset my cache before playing every time I play. Lastly this is the most frustrating of them all and also the newest bug that I’ve found. It’s also the most difficult for me to explain. Let’s say your territory is dubbed A and the area you’re trying to capture is dubbed B and the sum of both parts is thus C. The way the game works is A+B=C then C is renamed to A and the process starts all over again. There are some instances where A does NOT add B into it to make C leaving you only with the successfully taken area of B. (Or in other words A+B=B) The most frustrating part is that you could potentially having 30~50% claimed and suddenly you drop to some low ridiculous percentages like 0.19% because the game is acting incorrectly. And I understand the mechanics of how the game works, like if you cut a players area in two they keep the side they are attached to and lose the remainder. Which is similar to what happens but without involving any other players.
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  • Jul 4, 2020

    By Nobody
    THE BEST GAME EVER So much fun to play it. Just stay away from others and touch their trails to kill them . Cover little by little on the boundary and complete the circle. Ok let me tell you a secret disable the enemies and unlock all skins and change many other settings by entering the name.. V00d00Debug2019 this is the best feature of this game😊😊😁
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  • Awesome never changes. Jan 17, 2019

    By SsZai
    No matter what others say, I think this is a great game. What I like best is the controlled amount of player playing at a time; instead of playing online with thousands of users, you get to play live with 10 or 12 of them, so you have the opportunity to get in the top three, or even rank first place. Another aspect that I appreciate, is the speed at which you move and can add to your area. Instead of moving crazy slow, you advance at a respectable speed, by which you can head upwards in the rank board. Unlike what other users have said, I have not experienced a single add so far and have not been interrupted in the middle of the game with a long commercial that stresses the experience (trust me I have experienced an unusual amount of adds in popular games such as Helix Jump, which, if you are reading this DO NOT DOWNLOAD IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE MISERABLE). All in all I highly encourage individuals to download this high quality and high resolution game.
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  • I think that you should have an own world and be able to play with friends Dec 23, 2018

    By by someone who plays ur game
    I do play this game I play it a Lot and I get that your going against bunch of people...but I think that you should get a option of playing with your friends and you should also be able to have a world without anybody in it because if you want to try to make something really creative with the game then you can do it without someone killing you and it would be a lot easier to make something creative like one time I tried to make a hart and I really wanted to finish it but I got killed and it was very annoying... I know that a lot of people probably think that you can’t make something creative but if you think hard enough then you can come out with something really cool once again I think you should be able to play with your friends and have a world by your self. (I know that all of this is stupid so don’t come at me for saying all of this”
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  • Jul 12, 2020

    By NonExistent101
    It's a pretty good game. But.... There are many downsides- For one... The game lags.. A LOT. It's really annoying and whenever I try to play it just keeps lagging and I can't play for longer than a minute sometimes. Second of all.... The ads.. There's not that many but enough to get you annoyed. So I wouldn't say it's the best game, but it's good.
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  • Simple, Addictive, fun...with one UI suggestion Dec 21, 2018

    By CeeAnton
    This has become my favorite time killer, and I’ve downloaded it across almost all of my devices. I’ve even paid for the No Ad upgrade, which I rarely ever do. Since Voodoo is one of the worst with the unskippable 30-40second ads, it’s absolutely worth a few dollars to get rid of them. This game is simple, and addictive, and can be a fast play, or extended out if you are slow and methodical in your acquisition of territory. Recent updates have eliminated most of the bugginess of earlier versions. One odd thing is that the iPad and iPhone versions are slightly different. On the iPhone, you size up after a kill, but on the iPad, you do not. I wish they both played the same way. One Full rating star drop: Also, like all other VooDoo games, they do not rotate when changing orientation. For me, a game that will not rotate orientation (especially on the iPad) is an absolutely rating killer. And there are times when I will avoid playing a game I otherwise want to play, because it won’t rotate. For a phone, fine, whatever. For a tablet, it’s a total UI and usability miss. Come on, Voodoo, get it together. You make some of the best simple time killer games out there (even if they are all suspiciously similar), adding the rotate feature is a simple easy feature that makes your games far more widely playable.
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  • Problems and Ideas! Improve with this! Oct 4, 2018

    By TheOtherOtherReviewDude
    *Please Read* *There are so many ads on this game that I can’t click touch to continue, If you completely got rid of ads this game just might be way better. **Another thing eliminating yourself! You shouldn’t be able to eliminate yourself because you can turn to slow or the wrong way and end up eliminated, Also you shouldn’t be able to die from someone cutting your line. Instead when your line is cut you should be able to get back to your safe zone. This game also should have a feature that alerts you from where you territory is being taken. ***Game modes! My opinion on game modes is I LOVE THEM, and if the game could have some that would be great! Some suggestions 1vs1, Teams (5vs5, 2vs2vs2vs2vs2), Race (Who can get to 10% first)! I’m not entirely sure how many people there are per game, but i think it should be 10 if it is not. ****Feedback on skins! The skin variations are good, but should still have more easier and harder skins to get, and get EXTREMELY creative with the skins. No one once simplistic animals and objects, Maybe do something like a castle or Zeus! *****I hope you take all these ideas and include a big portion of them in the game, and use other people’s ideas!
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  • Jul 25, 2020

    By Jewel Roupe
    This is a game that I highly recommend! A few problems: Sometimes, people who just got in the server spawn on your line and you die. It's super annoying! I'm not going to mention ads (although there are alot) because you can use airplane mode. It does glitch a lot Example: a peice of your area randomly disappears often. Overall, the gameplay is fun and challenging. You should download it!
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  • FIX IT!!! Nov 19, 2018

    By .Lamp
    I absolutely love this game! But there are a few things that you need and have got to fix. First, you need to fix the glitch where you lose land. I was doing perfectly fine until that stupid glitch occurred and made me lose almost half of my land, I think that you should start looking into that since it’s happening everywhere. The second item I think you need to fix are the adds. I get that you need those to make money but there are WAY too many adds on this game. You have them right after someone dies, when they want to revive, and a few times I have gotten them when opening the game!! This to me is a huge problem because sometimes I lose right away then have to watch an add then the entire thing happens again!! Maybe after every 3 losses? That would be perfectly fine with me since there are way too many adds at the moment. The third thing I want you to fix is the Consecutive day counting. Because I’ve been playing this game for about 2 weeks yet I just got the burger and that entire time there was no progress showing. You should probably fix this soon. I think you should add more skins too, maybe depending on the time of year and someone has to finish the goal before that time is over to receive the skin? This game is awesome but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fix the other stuff too.
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  • Meh Oct 28, 2019

    By gas liquid and solid
    The game is fun I will not lie but you don’t even update it. I have played some of you games before and I did like them a bit but a main problem is you don’t really update them and just make a new game with a bunch of ads. I see you that you need the money but is it really necessary to fill all your games with ads most of us just want to have fun and play I would not mind 1 ad every 10 to 15 rounds but it just gets annoying. Also I really don’t like this game for only really 1 reason it is bots they are so annoying I can’t stay out of my area for 1 second without getting killed by bots! I was out my area for like 2 seconds once and I died I see it as almost impossible to fill up the map because the bots will just find a way to kill you somehow. And you probably aren’t even reading this because I feel like you don’t respond to reviews or reflect on them since I notice that people make reviews also but you don’t seem to make updates or try fixing your mistakes I would like it if you looked at what we say and try making your games better! And also I see a lot of companies doing what you are doing. Filling games with ads make it useless to play when you complete it and move on after to make a new game with the same thing. And yes I do think this game is fun but really stop making your games have garbage features and not even trying to make them better. I rarely see games that don’t do these things!
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  • Jul 16, 2020

    By Pranav Bulusu
    I love this game and all, but the ads are a problem. The ads pop up after the round and usually we can just close them, but at other times it forces us to watch the whole ad. This is very annoying so please fix the problem. Also sometimes, my area just disappears into nothingness and I die even though I am in my own area. So please fix these bugs. These problems are the main reason I have given the game 3 stars.
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  • Jul 5, 2020

    By YkerAlpha Baez
    I would honestly rate this a 5 star, but it is just that there are many, Many ads. And of things weren't worse enough, it repeats the same ads most of the time there is an ad(Which to me, was almost always🙄😒😫). It would be fine if the ads weren't almost always repeating, than I would have rated this a 4 star, but because the ads repeat, I am giving this app a 3 star. If someone could fix the repeating, I wouldn't be so annoyed, like I am right now😒
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  • Great game but still bugs Oct 11, 2018

    By lowkeykreatyve
    This game is addicting and I love it - I've played it since the beginning when there wasn't any skins (now there are some) - but I'm very disappointed that there's still bugs in which my territory glitches and then I have nothing. Even if I try to run back to where my large territory is supposed to be, there's nothing there for me to connect back to, so I promptly die. Even when I had an extra life still and watched the video in the hopes of saving myself, it just started me completely over since there wasn't anything for me to start on. I would be more understanding if it was a really high percentage that crashed it a bit, but this time I was only about 36% before it glitched and got rid of my territory. There's also many times where the game lags severely (and you have difficulty turning etc. while it does so) and there's still times where the game completely crashes and boots me out of the app and I can't get any of my progress back. I'm really disappointed, but like I said, I still love to play this game as it's a fabulous, addicting time-waster. I hope the devs read the community's reviews and fix the bugs. That's the main reason why I give this a 3/5 is because while the bugs make it unenjoyable when you lose your progress, I still enjoy and will continue to play the game, as I'm hopeful that the devs will fix these problems soon and it doesn't glitch every game.
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  • Way to many glitches Feb 18, 2019

    By Jenniferg2122ann
    My territory disappears even though there is no one is around to claim it. The Controls hey jumpy. At some points in the game it is smooth and nice to play. But other times I can play at all because it freezes so bad that it won’t start up again or the glitches make it so it doesn’t respond to where I want the thing to go to. It almost always ends with me bing killed. (Ex: if I pull it to the right and try to make it go to home base it will sometimes glitch out not go right and get hit by a on coming color.). Not cool. Other then that I would love to be able to play the game because it is fun. Fix the issues and I can give a better review. Also some colors tend to be faster then other already. So maybe you can add that as a bonus reward. So like you hav ego hit a certain goal to unlock a skin but maybe as well as having a knee skin give certain skins little bonus rewards like one could be a tiny bit faster. One could be a tiny bit bigger. And such. Also maybe limit how many players can be in a arena. And maybe add a little overview circle so you know where you are in the circle and see how much you have covered also see other players. But first fix the bugs. Then add the other fun details.
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  • Jul 3, 2020

    By Tim O'Brien
    I paid for this app in 2018 to get rid of the too frequent long ads. Ads didn't go away after purchase and the developer never responded. I got a refund from Google. The game is fun so I played a bit longer but finally couldn't stand the glitches everyone complained about. Recently reinstalled the game. Now I see from reviews all same glitches are all still there and still no developer response. I'll play occasionally while I'm on the can, but I'm not going to pay again for such a glitchy game.
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  • Jul 14, 2020

    By Krista Mullins
    The game wouldn't be so bad if I could possibly play for mor than 15 seconds without a serious lag that makes me look like one of the people out of the adds. You know, "If you score 20, your legally skilled😭😂😭" So please fix this. 2.5 stars for me because I have played this before and I had no problems plus I could pass the time easier. If you fix it, I will try this again.
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  • Jul 13, 2020

    By Potatochips_ o
    This game is really fun and addictive that I would play it even at current time, 2 am. It was all good untill I got bugged out that somehow got me killed out of nowhere at x86 kills and 33%. If I get bugged out at only 33% how would it even be possible to get 50%, not to say 100%. At first I thought it was because of bad wifi connection but it's not. Wasted my time for hours and I'm sad and disappointed.
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  • Jul 26, 2020

    By Kyle Hutchison
    Edit: I originally gave 3 stars because of respawn issues and lengthy adds, but the more I play the more I find wrong. Iv been killed in my own area for no reason several times, once with 40% of the map. Iv had 20% of the field and it just disappeared and turned white for no reason. Some of he adds are WAY TO LONG at least 30 seconds with another 15 seconds added to try it. Too many glitches in this game to give it more than 2 stars. Its a fun game if it didn't keep screwing you over.
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  • Fun time killer Jan 21, 2020

    By specialappssk
    Am updating AGAIN in the hopes glitches are finally fixed because the glitches are so annoying, and past updates have not resolved them at all. After months and months of playing I still have not been able to pass my record 82% and this is because EVERYONE on the board will glitch all together- Just today I watched my 70 something% glitch to something like 1.44%, and every one else at the same time went down to just a few percent or less each... I bite the dust on my own enough, no need for the computer to be nasty when I am winning. DEFINITELY buy the in-app purchase to kill the ads, if you are going to play this often... they are as annoying as they can get. With the ads disabled, this is a great all-ages game. Both my 12 year old and I enjoy it. Sometimes there are glitches, like when you freeze up and your character can’t move. The worst is when you die at 61%, sit through a stupid ad in order to get an extra life (I would like the option to shut this feature off too and have zero offers of ads, anyway), and then immediately respawn at 1.11% instead of the 61% you had...sigh, well that’s frustrating. An addictive game though. Kiddo and I both enjoy unlocking new characters to “paint”.
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  • Aug 1, 2020

    By Noah Myers
    I am so disappointed. My eight year old daughter almost got the full map and the app just crashed out of nowhere. That is so disappointing and frustrating to work that hard to get so close to winning the game and conquering the whole map and the app just crash that is why I'm giving this app star. It would have been five stars.
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  • Jul 23, 2020

    By dbhall23
    fun game but i still have to watch ads after i paid not to.. WHY?! also has so many glitches. while I'm watching ads for continued life (that i paid to not have) my guy gets killed, and i have to start over anyways. i feel ripped off over and over. 1 year later and I'm still having to watch ads that I paid not to see. I want my money back.
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  • GLITCHES GALORE!!! Oct 10, 2018

    By MellMelllMellll
    The game is fun and definitely addictive. However, the glitches are the most frustrating thing ever. I spent the $2.99 on this game to get rid of the ads and guess what? There are still ads when you want to continue the game. SO THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY! The glitches are so bad and make me want to throw my phone against a wall. After you’ve covered a good portion of the area, it will turn completely white for no reason leaving you stranded as you cannot get back to your pattern. Sometimes, it goes white and you die as if an invisible player just killed you. If you’re especially lucky, you’ll see a light show as the colors begin to glitch and your whole section comes back and disappears like flashing lights at a club. And then... you guessed it, you’ll randomly die. The percentage gets stuck at a number and no matter how much you’ve covered it’ll still say 0.51% even though your area is larger than the 0.66% circle you start with. This game could really become more popular and be the next “words with friends” or “angry birds” and could make a lot of money BUT it seems “they” would rather make chump change off of a subpar app with a great idea. The game is so fun and the idea is so addicting but the bugs and glitches and ads even after you pay, are enough to delete the app and tell everyone I know not to even bother. FIX THE BUGS! I guarantee that more people will play. FIX THE GLITCHES! FIX THE GLITCHES! FIX THE GLITCHES!
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  • Jul 12, 2020

    By Michael Plunkett
    Concept is good, but the game has too many errors. Game controls periodically stop responding causing you to die. Often doesn't give you the free life promised after watching an ad. Periodically die for no reason at all. Clearly the developer doesn't care to respond to the continuous error complaints. Weird thing is, my review keeps getting deleted. Must be how the developer is able to keep as high of a score as it does.
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  • Game cheats bad. Terrible bugs Oct 1, 2019

    By SirCaptainAhab
    Ive purchased this and been playing for almost a year. Almost on a daily basis. Always crowned. But never win. This game cheats soooo bad. The ai bot players are overly aggressive. They dont play to win. Their progress in the game has no relevance, no objective other than to kill real players. Once u kill an ai bot player, it immediately comes right back. Theres too many to ever win. You can never get rid of them. AI bots with same exact color as u makes it extremely difficult to see defined area as yours or theres. The game has a bug that can make u go from 70% coverage to .5% in a flash of a second. Poof! The area u just spent 25 minutes covering is GONE. Serious waste of time. Too many bugs. And even tho u pay for ad free version, u still must watch a 20 second commercial/ad just to get the 2nd life. Great game. Needs serious overhaul. Major bug fixes needed. Total waste of time. If u think u can win the way it is rigged now? You cant. Trust me. Ive got more wasted hours than I care to admit. Most of what kills u, u cant even see on your screen. You cant zoom out even when u have 70+% coverage. Would be an awesome game if they made it fair and fixed the serious bugs. Not to mention the auto removal of your large already covered spaced and reduced it back to nothing for no reason at all.
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